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laxpug19

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Alright

im 17 i own a 99' jeep wrangler along with insurance,girlfriend,food and jeep(all while makin 7.50 at a local farm 5am-4pm) i make alright savings i wanna know should i pay 400 for a loud ass new exhaust that will sound wicked bad ass cruising the beach or should i shell out the 700 or so for a set of mickey thompsom fun country 2's and rock crawler rims 33/12.5 and the the necessary suspension for it..(btw how much of a lift do i need to fit with out scraping while turning)

ALSO theres a couple small trails around my town that im finding out by randomly driving the goin in should i put it in 4wheel drive high or low? and whats the difference?
 

Two things: First of all, no amount of lift is gonna keep your tires from rubbing when you turn. The leaf packs are what the tires hit when turning, and they will stay in the same position relative to the tires. Second, if you don't know the difference between 4-hi and 4-lo, you shouldn't be taking that thing off the pavement, much less out of your own driveway.
 
laxpug19 said:
Thats kinda harsh im a city boy :( well im done askin questions

Didn't mean to be harsh, it's just that I've never known anyone that owned a Jeep (or other 4x4) for more than a day that didn't know the difference between 4-hi and 4-lo......
 

Don't be so mean to the kid Sparky. Anyway, heres a moto to live by if you drive a jeep, form follows function. If you want to take it off road and have fun with it, the loud exhaust isn't gonna get you there. The improvements to the supension, tires, drivetrain, etc will.

Ok, so it'll sound cool, but spending 400 on exhaust? Are you just retarded? BTW, just so you know, girls like Jeeps that are big, not sound like a ricer. The only exhaust I've heard that sounded good on a Jeep is my dads Rubicon with a Borla Catback on it. Loud isn't what you go for with exhaust, you go for tone. Unless your running a V8, you can't get both with a TJ.

Do the lift and tires. It's gonna cost more than 700 bucks, but it's worth it. Expect to pay anywhere from 500-900 for a lift (please for you and your passengers sake, don't buy rough country or any of that cheap crap) it's a worthwhile investment to do it right and save for a higher quality lift like BDS or RE. Anyway, we'll go in the middle and say 700 for the lift, then 700 for the tires and wheels. Look for used tires and used rims, and you can cut that price in half.

The difference between four low, and four high? Thats the staple of offroading right there. 4 high is used for when you need speed, more traction, or just for running mild trails that don't require any tough work to get through. 4 low makes your Jeep into a powerful little beast. You lose speed, but you gain a major increase in torque to the wheels. Torque to the wheels is multiplied by 2.72 when in 4 low. If you know anything about gears, read this, if you don't skip it. The stock Jeep either has 3.07s. 3.55's, 3.73's. or 4.10s, depending on you engine and transmission. In 4 high, first gear, your final ratio is anywhere from about 11:1 to 15:1. When you go to 4 low first gear, those numbers jump to about 31:1 to 45:1. IE, 45:1 means that for every 45 rotations of the engine, your wheel will turn once. This creates so much more power at the ground compared to 4 high. This allows you to climb up tall steep rocks, pull stuck jeeps easier, and it also slows you down so you can naviagte easier and safer. Gears are a staple of offroading, they can make or break you on the trail.

Also when going to a bigger tire, it might be important that you change the gears in teh differentials. Depending on how big, you can sometimes get away with not. Since I don't know exactly what your engine and drivetrain are, I can't advise you here.

Hope that helped a little.
 
Leave your exhaust alone, lift it ONLY when your off-roading requires more clearance and articulation. Put your transmission in Neutral (required) then shift into 4-lo, put it into first and see what it feels like (you won't be going very fast, but you will have lots of power to the ground). Use 4-hi for mild trails that are loose and slippery (mud, gravel, small rocks, etc.) use 4-lo to crawl over bigger obstacles, steeper hills, etc. If you have more questions please ask, you've got to learn somewhere. Keep explorin those trails.
 
currupt4130 said:
Don't be so mean to the kid Sparky.
currupt4130 said:
Are you just retarded?

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I said I wasn't being mean, I was just being honest. I'll give him credit for asking, though. Still, people that ask that type of question are generally the kind that take a perfectly good Jeep and trash it in a matter of weeks, or end up dead at the bottom of a hill somewhere, leading to more trails being closed to responsible, intelligent Jeepers. Again, sorry lax if I was too harsh, but come on.....RTFM!
 

The nice thing about this place, is that it's always been chill enough that anyone can come and ask any stupid question without any fear of flaming. Now that he's asked, maybe he wont wind up dead at the bottom of a hill :D
 
Hell, just have fun. Happy fourth of July! I have to agree about the exhaust. wast of time. Save a little more and go with the lift. Not only do girls like the lifted jeeps, but you catch many looks from the stock Jeeps as well. By the way, cruising the beach will be awesome when you have a lift, when people see that, they don't hear the exhaust, Only a bada@@ Jeep. Just be careful in whatever you do, Jeepers have to look out for each other and respect the profession. Take Care, KJ
 
jesus i started a brawl

well... to respond NOT ANSWER and of your remarks(all)


ok today i drove 400 miles in the jeep with pops to visit uncle up in vermont.. after july 4th festivities of endless bachi ball and italian sausage he surprised me with brand new bridgestone dualies a/ts and 400 cash for rims... im lookin at the american racing outlaw 2's

and the exhaust

a local shop lou's custom exhaust (google if u dont believe)

they have a special( if u can call it that)

flowmaster exhaust pipe muffle and tip and cold air intake (doesnt state what brand) for 800 bucks includes installation...

that wont make it sound mean?

see im more of a simple jeeper im not climbing rocks in the desert im f***ing around on a few trails here and there...

so please reply on the exhaust
 
Go to rustysoffroad.com. They have package deals with exhaust, and intake for alot cheaper.
 
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laxpug19 said:
jesus i started a brawl

well... to respond NOT ANSWER and of your remarks(all)


ok today i drove 400 miles in the jeep with pops to visit uncle up in vermont.. after july 4th festivities of endless bachi ball and italian sausage he surprised me with brand new bridgestone dualies a/ts and 400 cash for rims... im lookin at the american racing outlaw 2's

and the exhaust

a local shop lou's custom exhaust (google if u dont believe)

they have a special( if u can call it that)

flowmaster exhaust pipe muffle and tip and cold air intake (doesnt state what brand) for 800 bucks includes installation...

that wont make it sound mean?

see im more of a simple jeeper im not climbing rocks in the desert im f***ing around on a few trails here and there...

so please reply on the exhaust

Hey man!
I wouldn't go for exhaust. But that's me. I'd rather have a bigger jeep.

If you plan on running 33's, you'll need atleast 4" of lift to get no rubbing. I do, and I have NO rubbing on my TJ. Just consider the fact that a lift, tires are gonna be way more expensive than the exhaust. Plus, now that you've added extra weight to your tires, you won't have the same perfomance, and you'll have to gear down. Add gears to the cost.

But remember, that's just my opinion. Do what'll make you happy! Everyone has different reasons for owning their Jeeps.
 
I am a born and bred true to the blood Detroit boy, (even though I live in Seattle now) I have been exchanging fluids with 4x4's for most of my life. When I was 17 I lived for open exhaust on a big block American V8 (My 86 Bronco was running open headers). Nothing is sweeter a sound than the deep rumble of true American power. Sorry, but a 4.0 will simply never sound like that; and any attempts to make it are just plain silly. Do the cold air intake (or a snorkel, those are really cool) and leave the exhaust alone. I know that you will most likely ignore this advice (I ignored everything my dad told me until I got old enough to realize that he was absolutely right...about everything) but in the long run, you would be better off putting your money into other upgrades.

If you want loud, buy an old Grand Wagoneer with the AMC V8 and open up the exhaust on that. then take it to the woods and beat the $#(* out of it. you could do that for less than 2 grand.

Last point, it is your Jeep, make it what you want it to be, build it for what you want to do. Just decide if it is for form or function and spend money accordingly.
 
laxpug19 said:
jesus i started a brawl

well... to respond NOT ANSWER and of your remarks(all)


ok today i drove 400 miles in the jeep with pops to visit uncle up in vermont.. after july 4th festivities of endless bachi ball and italian sausage he surprised me with brand new bridgestone dualies a/ts and 400 cash for rims... im lookin at the american racing outlaw 2's

and the exhaust

a local shop lou's custom exhaust (google if u dont believe)

they have a special( if u can call it that)

flowmaster exhaust pipe muffle and tip and cold air intake (doesnt state what brand) for 800 bucks includes installation...

that wont make it sound mean?

see im more of a simple jeeper im not climbing rocks in the desert im f***ing around on a few trails here and there...

so please reply on the exhaust


Again, I apologize if I was too harsh earlier. Exhaust will help some with power, if you get a more free-flowing exhaust. But only if you increase the amount of air in, also. In other words, what it breathes in, it must also be able to breathe out. Keep that in mind when searching for exhausts. Sounds like you've got a great uncle there, too! New tires and money for wheels, can't beat that. And like Magua said, it's your Jeep, you build it the way you want it....I think folks here are merely offering suggestions and opinions of what they like, but it's not their Jeep to build, it's yours. If you want loud exhaust, go for it.
 

Wow, does anyone remember how Jeepz used to be? You know when guys like this could ask questions and get answers without getting beat up by guys who used to be in the same boat as him?

Hey laxpug19... about the exhaust... sounds kindof pricey for a cone intake and a muffler. Both of those can be installed by you with ease. They can also be bought cheap. Seach the net for cone-style intakes for your TJ and shop around for a flowmaster muffler if that's what you want. The flowmasters do sound pretty good (although that's not a priority for me).

As for lifting the Jeep... what size tires did he give you? 33's?

DOnt worry about rubbing, as in your original post you mentioned wheels. Just get the right backspacing (you'll have to search that one unless someone who knows can offer the info) and they wont rub your control arms.

As for lift, for 33's I would get at least 4" of lift. 4.5 would be ideal.

Save as much $$$ as you can trying to do this stuff on your own. It may seem intimidating but it is all real simple stuff once you start to get your hands dirty. Maybe you could seek help for the lift install from some local Jeepers (maybe join a club?).
 
Well put!


I agree, I haven't heard a good sounding I6 motor exhaust yet.
And my friends 05 Rubi with Borla everything is not exception.
Leave the exhaust to the V8's/

Now... get that rig lifted!

And... Welcome to Jeepz:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
I'd use the money you got from your dad for lift, tires, wheels and use that money you were going to use for exhaust towards the same....this way you can buy better stuff. Who cares how it sounds? You're jeep will look better and out perform other guys jeeps who just make a loud noise. If you still really want it louder you can always try a cheap muffler or glass pack for $20 and probably have your highschool shop class install it for free.
 

sorry... gotta chime in here... had a bud in hi-screwl that had a I-6 maverick he tried to make sound "bad" - always ended up sounding like a bad garbage truck - work the exhaust for power, not sound - epa legal header, cat-back exhaust, intake work, heck... get the head work done... spend the money where YOU want but always try to list your projects, price them out then PRIORITISE (sp?) - articulation is more important than sound... and even tho you live near a "few trails" now.... you may end up like me ... a Florida boy w/a Jeep and no trails moving to Vegas - desert with LOTS OF TRAILS! build for the future.... and hang in here... its really a great place for answers! (lord knows i've asked many a "stupid" question here!) just my $.02
 
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