Fair Tax?

Junkpile

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RE: Sunday Humor

I was just curious if anyone here has heard about the proposed alternative to our current tax system? I like it, and I've been very surprised that I'm not seeing any discussion about anywhere. I then realized that the only reason I knew about it was through the Neal Boortz radio show, and those who don't listen may have not been informed about it. I suggest anyone who sees the corruption and waste tied to our current system should read up. Neal Boortz and John Linder(US congress) wrote a book about it that recently made the #1 spot on the New York Times best seller list.

Go here to check it out: http://fairtax.org/
 

RE: Spark Plugs

The nice thing about it would be that everyone would pay their share... drug dealers, people working "under the table", etc ;)

It's basically the same idea as the "flat tax" that has been thrown around political discussion arenas for many years now. Problem is, the only support comes from those of us who both actually pay taxes and venture beyond the mainstream media for information. Although the number of people who fall into that catagory is increasing, we are still quite the minority.

I'm all for it, and I have been for quite some time. When most people think of taxes, they think of the income tax and sales tax. When you tally up all the little nickle and dime (sometimes dollar ;) ) fees, taxes, etc that you pay from tolls to little charges on your phone and cable bill it can be quite a shock to see the final amount we each pay annually.
 
I looked up Neil Boortz the last time you posted about his show. The closest station is on the Eastern Shore of MD, too far to pick up. I'll have to check out a webcast some day when I'm off work.
 
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I'll have to check out a webcast some day when I'm off work.

Do that. I think you would really enjoy it. It's different than pretty much any national show. I learned to love talk radio listening to Rush, but I just don't agree with him on alot of issues. Neal Boortz makes you think and realize things, just like Rush, but my views are more inline with his. I'm a conservative and while I agree more with the Republicans, I don't accept alot of the ideals of the party. Boortz is the voice for people like me.

http://boortz.com/

Check out "Neals Nuze" and his favorite links list.
 

RE: Comanche ax15 into a YJ?

I'm for a complete overhaul of the tax system as well as the elimination of the illegal Federal income tax.

The fair tax is a good model for change.
I really wished it would pick up steam in congress.
However, when you consider the sizable lobby from the millions of CPA's in the country, it is unlikley at best.
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RE: Exhaust

90Xjay said:
...as well as the elimination of the illegal Federal income tax.

The Federal income tax is not illegal. But the IRS DOES abuse it unlawfully to tax "individuals" who do not partake in taxable excises
 
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Illegal, unconstitutional, whatever you want to call it... it's not the way our country was designed.

It was supposed to be temporary, but when you give your government power and money it is hard to get either back.

Junkpile,
I am with you about Rush... Sean Hannity too. I agree with them often, but they can both be republican party drones at times.

I listen to a Baltimore host named Ron Smith. He is much like you described Boortz to be. Although he is a conservative, he is also a free thinker.

I'll check out Boortz, you give Ron Smith a listen one time:
he's on 3pm EST weekdays and is simulcast on the web at WBAL 1090's website:
http://www.wbal.com/shows/smith/
(click the listen link at top left of his page)
 

RE: Greetings from New Orleans

Snitty wrote:
The Federal income tax is not illegal. But the IRS DOES abuse it unlawfully to tax "individuals" who do not partake in taxable excises

We are both right Snitty, I was refering to the illegal use against citizens. I just did not want to go into details cause I was in a hurry, but I felt it important to throw the remark out there and see who bit on it.
Glad to know so many on the board are aware of the problem.


You called it "unlawful" I called it "illegal"

It is still wrong, and like TC said, not how it was originally set up.

I hate the fact that citizens are taxed by the Federal Gov't and then the same gov't sends it back to the states, after taking their cut, with many strings attached....or better yet to some pork barrell king of the hill's state like the distinguished Sentator Robert C Byrd of WV :wink: :wink:
 
RE: Harmonic balancer pulley?

Glad to know so many on the board are aware of the problem.

You called it "unlawful" I called it "illegal"

Oh I'm quite aware. A few years of research and many discussions with some people well educated on the topic... it has all enlightened me quite well. I'm almost half way ready to becoming a sovereign.

Very important to realize the difference between "legal" and "lawful"
 
RE: Good Rocker Guards and Driveshaft?

Oh I'm quite aware. A few years of research and many discussions with some people well educated on the topic... it has all enlightened me quite well. I'm almost half way ready to becoming a sovereign.

A guy I know in Pennsacola claimed that he turned in SSAN and gave it back and he got almost all of the taxes he had paid in. Now he does not pay any federal personal income taxes and has no SSAN
 

RE: Good Rocker Guards and Driveshaft?

It's not just a claim, I personally know many many people who have declared such sovereignty. There's a lot to it, and its not for just anyone. "They" have built "their" system away from it and have made it hard to choose battles.
 
As long as taxes are owed under our current system, you should go to jail if you refuse to pay them. The brilliant people who think they have figured out a way to cheat the IRS out of it's taxes usually find out the hard way they were wrong.....or their poor family does after they are gone. It's all fine and good to walk that line with another citizen, but you don't go mucking with uncle sam about money, he will take what he wants when he wants and when the point comes that it's profitable for him to prosecute people like that.....
 
You say "as long as taxes are owed...."

First, you must determine whether or not you REALLY do owe taxes... or if the IRS is trying to CHEAT YOU

What I am talking about is not cheating the IRS, but stopping the IRS from cheating you. People working for a living who are not taking part in privileged activity do not owe tax on the "money" they earn in exchange for their labor. Nowhere in the Internal Revenue Code does it say that such "tax" exists. By signing a W-4, using your SSN as a tax identification number, you give the IRS jurisdiction to tax your income by volunteering yourself as a corporate entity. Your labor is not a taxable commodity otherwise. It is not a material commodity. It is not (usually) one of the 32 privileged taxable excises (privileged meaning something not necessary for normal living). Everything I say here has been and IS backed up by the US Supreme Court. The IRS is NOT, I say NOT, the government. It is an agency foreign to the United States of America. It was established in 1913 as a collection agency used BY and FOR the government. Its purpose was to collect lawful taxes on excised activity and to temporarily borrow money to help fund WWI. Since then, it has been unlawfully abused by the government and has been very successful at wrongfully taking money from people who are either not aware of or are not willing to exercise their rights guaranteed under law. I am not saying that the tax system should not be used, and I'm not saying it is wrong. But it certainly is unlawfully abused.

I have an example. The IRS was really putting the boots to a man I know. He decided to fight back (yeah, you really can, and you dont' HAVE TO believe everything sent to you by mail). He researched for 12 years on the topic and has become very well taught. Under the Freedom of Information Act, he demanded a copy of his Master Files. The IRS cannot lawfully tax a person on their income unless they take part in corporate or privileged activity (I know I'm redundant on that, but it is important). So in order to tax him, they had to place him in one of these taxable categories. His Master File Non-Specific said that he is an offshore oil driller (working outside the country, importing product... privileged activity). His Master File Specific said that he was importing regulated substances from Columbia. In reality, he was neither, but was placed in such categories to make his income taxable. When it came time for the IRS to take what they thought they could do, he refused and requested a proof of claim SIGNED by the commissioner of the IRS. They WOULD NOT and COULD NOT produce such proof. When they threatened using his "importing drugs" as a way for criminal matter, he urged them to do so. Once again, they could not provide any proof of such. Not only did he not have to pay the money they wrongfully wanted in the first place, but he has not paid a penny of FEDERAL income tax since. If and when his children went to school, he paid school tax. When he bought commodities, he paid sales tax. He pays taxes for the land on which he lives (also not a lawful tax, but he has no problem funding the workers who maintain the city).

People ARE prosecuted for such all the time. Those who do not know thier rights, they DO get serious punishment for it. Those who DO know their rights, and how to exercise them, they make an example of the distortion of the tax system.


I personally will pay taxes for the time being, for a while, and possibly throughout my life. I have benefited much from some of the programs that are funded through unlawful tax (which are supposed to be funded otherwise, in much more efficient manners, but are not, therefore my willingness). I am a man of fairness. If I use something, I don't oppose contributing to it. Though there still are many ways that federal agencies abuse naive Americans. I will soon be making my way away from such abuse. It is my patriotic duty to protect my rights, and to exhibit just that to as many people as possible. Within a couple years (not using my real name, I never do online), SNITTY (Inc.) will no longer exist. Snitty (sovereign human) will be only a citizen of one of the States of the Union of America, and will no longer be a corporate entity of United States of America Inc.

Lets say your name is John J. Doe (Legal and Lawful proper name has lower and upper case letters). You will get letters from the IRS addressed to JOHN J. DOE, representing the strawman of the corporate entity that John J. Doe is expected to represent. I'm not making this up, and its not a crock of snot. Contact me personally if you wish to discuss the proper name issue in more detail.

I urge everyone here to check out their Master File. I'd like to get some feedback on some of the interesting cagetories we're all in. It does require going through a bit of trouble to get a hold of, but it is well worth seeing, and for many reasons, not just that.


To end tonight's endless post... Junkpile, I agree that many people who try to go through with avoiding taxation end up being sorry for it. But the main reason for that is because of the 99+% of the rest of the people who are unaware of what is going on, and simply follow the puppet strings. There are many many many many more people who have successfully claimed sovereignty (even from the IRS) than what anyone here may think. You, and probably many here, now may think I'm nuts after what I've just said here. But I urge you to look into it. Even if you don't believe it, or think it is wrong, it is a VERY interesting topic to read up on.

Now I'll go find some Icy-Hot for my fingers
 
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